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WEBLEYS IN SOUTH AFRICA - A LONG HISTORY

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Mention Webleys in South Africa and most locals these days will probably think of the 0,38" S&W revolvers used by the South African Police (SAP) in the second half of the 20th century.  Overseas firearms and military enthusiasts will probably think of the 0,455" revolvers used in the Anglo-Boer War at the very end of the previous century.  However, the link between Webley and SA goes back to long before that conflict, and embraces much more than just the police and some military forces.

 

Over it's long history the firm of P Webley & Son, and the later Webley & Scott, made a massive range of pistols, revolvers, rifles, air weapons and shotguns.  In SA all of these, and particularly the handguns, were used by explorers, farmers, police, soldiers, mining companies, banks, Boer commandos, target shooters, colonial forces and ordinary citizens wanting a firearm for self-protection.

 

This Special Interest Group web page seeks to record some of that history, and to serve as a catalyst to discover more information.  The main emphasis is on the pistols and revolvers, since most Webley rifles were sold under other company's names, and shotguns are of no interest (!). The page is maintained by Peter J Smith, who welcomes ANY information concerning Webleys in SA: types; dates; users; retailers; holsters, accessories, training; etc; etc.

 

 

A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE WEBLEY COMPANY

 

James and Phillip Webley were brothers who both served apprenticeships in the gun trade in Birmingham, England, in the 1820s and 1830s.  After some time in business together they set up on their own designing and making percussion revolvers.  When James died suddenly in 1856, Philip absorbed his business, as he had that of William Davis (who made bullet moulds and gun tools) after the latter's death and Philip's marriage to his daughter Caroline.  Moulds associated with early Webley revolvers can sometimes be found with the trademark WD.

 

During the 1860s Philip was joined by Thomas and Henry Webley, two of his four sons (and two daughters).  Both these two sons had also completed their apprenticeships in the gun trade, by now a major industry in Birmingham.  The business was then registered as P Webley & Son of Birmingham and London (although there were two sons) and the Winged Bullet with the initials W & S was adopted as a trade mark.  The adoption of a new Webley solid frame revolver design by the Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) in 1868 set the company firmly on the route towards becoming the largest and ultimately the sole revolver manufacturer in England.

 

The next major event was the adoption of the break open 0,455" Webley Service revolver by the British Army in 1887.  The company then had an association with the War Office for the next 40 or more years and ,after a period of bitterness in the late 1920s and 1930s, again during the Second World War.

 

In 1897 there was an amalgamation with Richard Ellis & Son and W & C Scott & Sons (both shotgun makers) to form The Webley & Scott Revolver & Arms Company Limited.  In 1906 this company simplified its name to Messrs Webley & Scott Limited, but the famous Winged Bullet trademark continued to be used and, fortunately (?) the initials W & S remained applicable.  Several patterns of winged bullet were used over the years, but all are instantly recognisable as the trade mark of the premier English gun manufacturer.

 

In 1911 the London Metropolitan Police adopted the Webley & Scott 0,32" pistol, which lead to extensive sales to police forces around the Empire.  Then in 1912 the Royal Navy adopted the big 0,455" Self Loading pistol; the only British pistol to have been adopted for British military service to this day.

 

Regrettably, the increasingly repressive anti-gun legislation in the United Kingdom, starting with the Firearms Act of 1920, progressively killed Webley's home market and they were faced with increasing competition and import restrictions in overseas markets.  The firm branched out into air pistols, and then air rifles, in the mid 1920s in an effort to sustain business, but the decline had already set in.  A row with the War Office over design rights regarding the new Enfield 0,38 Service revolver and its ammunition, in the development of which Webley had played a major part, severed that association and further reduced Webley's market. 

 

The Second World War saw the War Office having to beg Webley to make and sell them Mark IV 0,38" S&W revolvers and 11/2" Signal Pistols, but after the war Webley were left with only the police market at home and around the Empire, itself in decline, and the rapidly shrinking civilian market.  Air guns became an increasing part of the business, and in 1979 the last revolver was made.

 

Various mergers and changes of ownership followed in the 1980s, along with the sale of the shotgun business.  Now, in the 21st Century, the name of Webley & Scott still exists as a maker of air guns, but cannot in any honesty claim any direct lineage with the company that Philip founded all those years ago.

 

 

THE SOUTH AFRICAN CONNECTIONS

 

The first Webleys to appear in South Africa undoubtedly came with their owners.  Percussion revolvers dating from 1859 and 1860 are known, for example.  Private imports by people from Britain continued over the years and the peak must surely have been before and during the Anglo-Boer War.  British Army officers were required to provide their own handgun (Private Purchase), and most choose a Webley revolver chambering the Government 0,455" cartridge.  Many of these pistols (the correct British nomenclature is Pistol, Revolver) were retailed by the famous Army & Navy Cooperative Stores Limited and can be found marked Army & Navy CSL.

 

However, the gun trade developed rapidly in South Africa, and by the mid 1870s retailers were stocking and selling Webley revolvers (see below).  During the 1890s Thomas Webley paid several visits to South Africa and actively promoted the sale of Webley products to both "official" and commercial customers.

 

Various Colonial forces were equipped with Webley revolvers and the Cape Government ownership mark  C^G  is commonly found on a wide variety of models.  The British Army was of course the major user of Webley revolvers, and many of these remain in South Africa as surplus or "liberated".

 

When South Africa ceased to be a colony, with the Union in 1910, the police and Army (Union Defence Force or UDF) carried on using British firearms.  A number of contracts were signed with Webley over many, many years for revolvers and pistols, and some of these subsequently passed to the Prison Service (GDPS).

 

 

CIVILIAN USAGE

 

Establishing details of civilian usage is naturally considerably more difficult than for "official" issue.  Most information can only be surmised from the range of models found in the country, enhanced by any details learnt from people selling a gun that has been in the family since new, or at least for some considerable time.

 

Formal Target Shooting

It is clear that Webley revolvers and single shot pistols were used in formal target shooting around the 1950s-1970s.  A number of Mk IV 0,22" LR target revolvers, and some in 0,38" S&W, are found with modifications that typify such usage by shooters who knew just what they wanted from a target pistol; examples are trigger shoes, coloured sights (of questionable real value), weighted butts, worked over trigger pulls, etc.  Single shot 0,22" LR free pistols also turn up from time to time, again showing signs of user or gunsmith modifications.  The trade mark overlaid W and R of well known South African gunsmith WJC (Bill) Richie has been found on some of these pistols.

 

Self Protection

During the 1950s and 1960s a considerable number of Mk IV pocket models in 0,38" S&W, and even 0,32" S&W Long, were purchased by civilians for self protection.  Most of these revolvers seemed to have spent the next decades in the sock drawer, or even in the original box, since they are frequently found in near mint condition.  Many have the somewhat superfluous (on a double action revolver) square push button safety.

 

Of course in earlier years revolvers and pistols were also obtained for self protection.  A particularly nice story is of the recent owner's mother who was given a Number 2 revolver in 0,380 CF for her 21st birthday in 1920; she subsequently used it to chase an adulterous husband out of the house and out of her life!  It is interesting to note that the No 2 ceased production by 1914, but was available new in 1920.  No doubt the intervening Great War had something to do with this.

 

Private Purchase

 

Air Pistols and Rifles

 

 

RETAILERS AND WHOLESALERS

 

Known dealers are (wholesalers marked W):

 

J Greaves, Kingwilliam's Town  (guns so marked)

A P Walshe of Kimberley & Johannesburg  (guns so marked)

J F King, Durban  (guns so marked)

J F King, D'Urban  (guns so marked)

W Rawbone & Co, Cape Town  (?)

Stein & Hunter, Port Elizabeth

Shimwell Bros, Johannesburg (?)

 

 

COLONIAL FORCES USAGE

 

Cape Police

Guns marked C.P.  Known models are No 5 New Model Army Express.

 

Natal Police

Guns marked N.P.  Known models are Service Mk IV.

 

Cape Mounted Rifles

Guns probably marked C.M.R.  Models(s) unknown, but probably one or more Service Marks.

 

South African Constabulary

Guns marked S.A.C. and often the abbreviated year, eg '06.  Known models are Service Mk I, Service Mk IV.

 

M.H ?

Guns marked M.H. and C^G.  Known models are Service Mk II.

 

Cape Government (Unit or Force unknown)

Guns marked C^G.  Known models are Service Mk I* (?), Mk II, Mk IV.

 

South African Light Horse

Guns marked S.A.L.H.  Known models are Service Mk II.

 

ARMY USAGE

 

Union Defence Force

Guns marked with ^ in U.  Very many types of Webley and other makes are found with the Union property mark (^ in U), but it seems unlikely that all of these were issue guns.  The assumption is that many were civilian guns impounded during W W II and marked by over zealous armourers.  Any information in this regard would be appreciated.  Known issue models are Service Mk IV with 4" and 6" barrel, Service Mk VI, 9mm Browning Long Military & Police pistol (SA was the only country to adopt this pistol for service issue).

 

Military & Police 9mm BL Pistol

 

 

British and Empire Forces

British Army guns are marked with the whole gamut of inspection, proof and ownership marks, with the Broad Arrow on most parts.  Often the back strap carries regimental markings and sometimes an issue date.  The regimental markings can usually be linked to units known to have served in SA, mostly during the Anglo-Boer War.  Known models are Service Mk I, I*, II, III, IV, V and VI.  The Second World War "War Finish" 0,38 S&W Mk IV revolvers often encountered bear post 1955 Birmingham commercial proof marks.  These guns appear to be re-furbished surplus arms retailed by the UK firm Parker-Hale in the early 1960s.

 

Empire unit markings may also be found; an example is a Mk I with New South Wales Government markings.

 

 

POLICE USAGE

 

South African Police

Guns marked S.A.P.  Known models are Mk III 0,38" S&W Pocket, Mk IV 0,38" S&W with 4" and 5" barrel, Service Mk VI with 4" barrel and fixed foresight (These were some of the last Mk VI made; the SA High Commission ordered 200 in 1935), Mk IV 1 1/2" Signal Pistols; the UDF 9mm pistol is also believed to have been used by the SAP.

 

MARK VI with 4" Barrel

 

 

Railway Police

Guns marked S.A.R.^ S.A.S  Known models are Mk IV 0,32" S&W Long with 4" barrel.

 

 

COMPANY AND INSTITUTIONAL USAGE

 

Gevangenis Diens/Prison Service

Guns marked G.D.P.S. Also found with M in U, being the property mark of the Republic of SA (after 1964)  Known models are Mk VI with 4" barrel, ex SAP (S.A.P. mark cancelled or milled out).

 

Standard Bank (of SA)

Guns marked STANDARD BANK.  Known models are No 5 Express in 360 Rook, Mk III 38 Pocket, 7,65mm Pistol Model 1908.

 

Crown Deep Ltd

Guns marked CROWN DEEP, Ltd. .  This gold mining company used at least one type of Webley, the RIC Model 1883 in 0,455".


 

^ denotes the Broad Arrow - Peter J Smith, Pretoria, South Africa - March 2003

 

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